Ann Barnhardt, a bold, articulate, courageous, knowledgeable,
passionate young woman (who has in recent months championed the fight against
evil no matter its form) has once again written a brilliant piece and posted it
on her blog. Her post is the best and most understandable explanation/argument
for the Catholic teaching of the Conception and the
"Holy Mother" Mary I have been exposed to. I admit to having great
difficulty in refuting any of her points. As a hardcore Protestant I must
resolve this Catholic/non-Catholic controversy.
As I see it there are three possibilities. Yes, I said three (not
two, but three) separate possibilities. Only one of these possibilities is,
of course, correct. Which one? The Catholic teaching?; The non-Catholic
teaching?; Or, what the Bible actually reveals, and for that matter does not
reveal? I know you are probably scratching your head about now, no matter your
religious/denominational bent. If the Catholics are wrong about Mary than
by default the non-Catholics must be correct, or visa versa. It is not possible
for them to both be correct - that is a given. But consider this - it is
possible they could both be wrong. To sort this all out let's
first read the Catholic
teaching as Ms Barnhardt has posted on her blog. Then once we have
read her comments I will explore teaching of most non-Catholic denominations
as best I am able.
I have copied Ms Barnhardt's comments from her blog dated, December 17, 2011, and pasted it here. While
you are reading and digesting her argument, you too may realize the one main
scriptural fact, which she completely ignores. By doing so it blows a
hole completely through what otherwise would be a
solid Biblical teaching.
ON
THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION & SCIENCE
POSTED BY ANN BARNHARDT - DECEMBER 17,
AD 2011 9:19 PM MST
Here’s your Christian catechesis for the
weekend. First, who exactly is “the Immaculate Conception”? Most Catholics
today are so incredibly ignorant and poorly catechized in their faith that a
sickening number would say that Jesus is who the term “Immaculate Conception”
is referring to. That would be wrong. Mary is the Immaculate Conception.
And here is where all of the non-Catholics
begin to feel a distinct tightening in the solar plexis, a rush of blood to the
face, a clenching of the jaw and a grinding of the teeth. Why? Because any
mention of Mary other than as a human brood mare – and only around
Christmastime - engenders RAGE amongst the Protesters. Why? Because,
apparently, Mary draws people’s attention away from Jesus instead of pointing
people TOWARD Him. Because, apparently, Jesus takes absolutely no delight in any
of us, most especially His own mother, is insanely jealous of His own creation
and thus hates His own mother, and demands that nobody EVER so much as LOOK at
her, much less LOVE her, because Jesus is extremely insecure and just can’t
handle people observing, loving and appreciating beauty in HIS OWN CREATION,
even though everything in the universe was made by Him and through Him.
So every time a parent looks at their child in
love, Jesus gets pissed. And every time a man looks at his wife in love, Jesus gets
pissed. And every time a son looks at his mother in love, Jesus gets pissed.
And every time a man looks at the mountains, or a sunset, or up at the stars in
loving wonder and appreciation, Jesus gets pissed. And every time a person
looks in loving appreciation at a beautiful painting, or building, or reads a
beautiful bit of prose or poetry, or gazes upon a particularly elegant bit of
mathematics or even computer programming code . . . JESUS GETS PISSED.
Do I have that about right, y’all? Snorf.
Anywho, back to the Immaculate Conception. This
doctrine and non-negotiable tenet of Christianity teaches that Mary was, by the
grace of God, prevented from carrying the stain of Original Sin from the moment
of her conception. Mary was saved from sin by her Son, like all of the other
faithful, it is just that the timing of her salvation was different from
everyone else. This is why Mary calls God “my Savior” in her Magnificat in Luke
1:46-55. Instead of letting Mary fall in the mud puddle of sin like the rest of
us, God stuck out His Arm back through time from the Cross and kept her from
falling in the mud puddle – but if it wasn’t for God’s positive action of
reaching out across time from the Cross and holding her from falling, she would
have fallen. This is called “grace”, and is what the Angel Gabriel was
referring to when he greeted Mary at the Annunciation with the words, “Hail!
Full of grace! The LORD is with thee. Blessed art thou among women.” Luke 1:28
Full of grace means FULL. OF. GRACE. How full
is full? Full is totally full. To the brim. Full does not mean half-full or
mostly-full. Full means full. Mary was FULL OF GRACE. And because Mary was FULL
of grace, there was absolutely no room for sin. Mary didn’t sin because God her
Savior had filled her with grace and therefore she just COULDN’T sin. Most of
us reading this have a tiny taste of what this is like. For example, I’m
guessing that everyone reading this would be incapable of killing a baby. We
just COULDN’T do it. No matter what threat was made against us, no matter what
the adverse consequences to our own lives might be, we would take any adverse
consequence before killing a baby. We are simply incapable of performing that
act. Why? What is that internal force of energy that prevents us from committing
acts of evil even when under intense duress and threat? It is grace. Pure and
simple. Sadly, most of us have a little grace, but are not in any way FULL of
grace. I am personally much closer to being full of crap than of grace (which
many of you have already pointed out to me – thank you very much), hence the
daily, persistent, repeated sinning on my part. And I suspect it is a similar
situation with you, dear reader, with the grace-to-crap ratio being much higher
for you than for me. I really am quite full of crap.
With Mary there was no crap because God her
Savior had FILLED her with grace, and thus there was no room for crap, and thus
there was no sin. It’s really just 2nd grade math if you think about it. But
WHY? Why was it essential for Mary to be sinless and sinless from the moment of
her conception? That’s where the science comes in.
There are two phases to Mary’s existence. The
first phase was from the moment of her conception until the Annunciation, which
is when Jesus was conceived in her womb. The second phase was from that moment
of conception forward for all eternity. Each phase has its own physiological
delight attached to it which required Mary to be a sinless vessel for Our Lord.
First, the pre-Annunciation period. As it turns
out, all baby girls have all of the eggs that are ever going to be in their
ovaries fully formed not just at birth, but fairly early in their fetal
development phase. Unlike men who are continuously producing new sperm, a
woman’s eggs aren’t created and formed with each menstrual cycle. All that is
happening during a cycle is that an egg, which has been fully formed in a
woman’s body since she was a pre-born fetus, is released into the reproductive
tract. What this means theologically is that the egg containing the 23
chromosomes that God would miraculously fertilize with 23 chromosomes that He
miraculously supplied (including a Y chromosome) to become the Word Made Flesh,
Jesus Christ, was physically present inside Mary’s body from the time that Mary
was inside of her mother’s womb. That egg, and those chromosomes, that physical
constituent of Our Blessed Lord was present inside of Mary’s body, waiting to
be . . . if I may use the word . . . consecrated. The word consecrate, when
broken into its Latin components means:
Con: With
Secr: Holy
-Ate: Territory of a Ruler
Secr: Holy
-Ate: Territory of a Ruler
And so, Mary was, from the time she was inside
St. Ann’s womb, already carrying a portion of Our Lord’s physicality, namely 23
of His chromosomes. And thus Mary was, from her very beginning, already a
tabernacle, already the Ark of the New Covenant, carrying within her what would
be consecrated into The Law Incarnate, The High Priest, and The Bread of Life –
just like the Old Ark, except perfected and fully fulfilled as God Incarnate.
And as we know from the book of Exodus, the Old Ark had to be “perfect”. And
thus, the Ark of the New Covenant was also perfect, except this perfection was
a perfection that only God Himself could accomplish: the perfection of Mary,
full of grace and thus saved from all sin.
The second phase is actually broken into two
sub-phases. The first sub-phase is when Mary was pregnant with Jesus and His
entire body was inside of hers. The second phase is that phase from the time of
Jesus’ birth forward into all eternity. Jesus is STILL physically inside of
Mary in a unique way. It was discovered just a few short years ago that immune
cells pass from a pre-born child to the mother across the placenta. Not only do
these immune cells, which are the child’s and thus carry the exclusive DNA of
the child, pass across the placenta, but they persist in the mother’s body for
the rest of her life. A woman who has carried a son has immune cells with
Y-chromosomes in her bloodstream that can now be filtered out of her blood and
observed. Female children also pass cells to their mothers. Thus, a woman truly
does carry her children around inside of her, with their DNA coursing through
her heart, for the rest of her life. That isn’t just a sentiment – it is a
physiological fact.
Thus, Mary continued and continues to this day
to be a perpetual, living tabernacle of her Son, as she carries cells with His
DNA in her bloodstream. And so now we see why Mary had to be filled with grace
and thus saved from the stain of sin from the moment of her conception
eternally forward – because she was and is a perpetual Ark of the New Covenant.
This also explains why Mary’s body was assumed
into heaven immediately at the end of her earthly life, because her body
literally contained living cells of Our Lord and thus her body could not remain
on earth in physical death to decay in any way. She simply was afforded the
same physical resurrection that all of the faithful will receive, albeit
instantaneously for her, given her very special state, both spiritually and physically.
This is what is doctrinally referred to as “The Assumption”.
Finally, if you are reading this and it has
made you the least bit angry, you need to sit down and ask yourself one
excruciatingly simple question: WHY?
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with
thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of
our death. Amen.
Soooo, where does Ms Barnhardt miss the mark in
her theological points which otherwise does have a sound ring to them. At least
as sound as the teachings of non-Catholics. And just what is it most
non-catholics teach, be it the main line Protestant denominations, Holiness
denominations, Baptist denominations, Pentecostal denominations, who are actually
continuing to teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
To explore this other side of the ledger I
direct you to Isaiah where the birth of
Jesus was prophesied in chapter 7 verse 14 “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin
shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.” Please not
Isaiah wrote “the
virgin shall conceive”. What
Isaiah did not say was how the physical conception would take place - only that
would take place.
Matthew 1:18 says, “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows:
After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she
was found with child of the Holy Spirit.” Here Matthew does not go into much more detail
than Isaiah prophesied about how Mary was approached by the Holy Spirit. Verse
18 does say “they came together” and that “she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit”. Before
we go any further let me make it clear that Matthew is not reporting Mary had
any type of sexual relations with the Holy Spirit. If you believe that then you
are wasting your time reading any further as far as this post is concerned. You
might as well go do whatever it is you otherwise do – unless of course, you
would like to learn the truth.
We have
to turn to the book written by Luke, chapter 1:30-35 to read these words, 30 Then the angel said to her,
“Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and
shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be
called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His
father David. 33 And He will reign over the
house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.” 34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a
man?” 35 And the angel answered and
said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon
you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that
Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.”
Here we read, “you will conceive
in your womb”. Luke makes it clear Jesus was conceived as a fetus in Mary’s
womb”. Luke does not say how that conception happened but that it happened.
Mary did ask the angel how a baby could possibly be conceived in her womb since
she was a virgin, and the angel replied “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will
overshadow you.” At this point I remind you I reject completely the word “overshadow” to somehow
mean a kind of sexual relationship.
We
learned from Ms Barnhardt’s post that Mary was without sin and thus there was
no sin in any of Mary’s eggs. Therefore, all the Holy Spirit had to do was
create a sperm without sin and impregnate Mary’s egg with that sperm in some
sort of miraculous way. But…was Mary really sinless? In Romans chapter 3 Paul
writes “There is no one
righteous, not even one, there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who
does good, not even one.”
Therefore,
even Mary was not without sin. “No one” means “noooooo one” and “all have”
means “allllll have”. Based on Romans 3 even Mary the mother of Jesus was not
without sin, and if she wasn’t without sin then her egg could not be without any
taint of sin either. And if her egg was tainted with sin than Mary’s fetus
could not be without sin. As best as I can tell, non-Catholics teach the fetus
of Jesus was a result of Mary’s egg somehow being fertilized by the Holy
Spirit, but how could that be. Mary’s egg, an egg containing sin being mixed
with a seed without sin would by default result in a fetus containing sin. A
fetus containing sin would have to be born in sin. If that were true then we
have no Gospel; we have no Savior. But that is not true and we do have a
Gospel, the Gospel is true; we do have a Savior and His Name is Jesus who was born
of a virgin.
Now, we
non-Catholics must face this question: How was it possible for the baby Jesus to
be born of a sinful woman, and possessed only sinful eggs – how could this be?
There is only one way. Non-Catholic are you ready for this?
In the
Book of Genesis, God created the first Adam. This FIRST Adam was created as a full grown man, but created just the
same. If God could create the FIRST
Adam as a grown man, then it would stand to reason God could create the LAST Adam as a fetus. Not as a full
grown man, but a baby conceived in the womb of a virgin. The FIRST Adam was born without sin, but
yet had the ability to sin. And sin he did! The LAST Adam was born without sin, and yet He too had the ability to
sin. In that regard, being created without sin but with the ability to sin,
there is no difference between the FIRST
Adam and the LAST Adam. Both were created
by God. Both were created without sin. Both were tempted to sin. One man yielded
to temptation and the other did not. One brought ultimate damnation onto all the
earth. The other man brought complete salvation back to the earth.
You
might be asking why all of this important. In order for Jesus to be born by a sinful
women and yet without sin He had to be completely created in the womb. There
was no fertilization of an egg. The Holy Spirit created a fertilized Egg and
implanted that fertilized Egg inside of Mary’s womb.
As a
result, Jesus was born a man. He was all man. He was God who became man. Jesus’
deity remained intact, thus He was all God and He was all man. Jesus is all God and all man. He was all God
before He sat aside His deity to become a man to ive on earth as a man. Jesus
had become all God and all man.
Some
might say Jesus could have sinned while here on earth, because He was all man,
and they would be correct. And others might say He didn’t sin because He was
all God, and they would be wrong. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Jesus lived His life on earth strictly as a man. He temporarily put His deity
aside to live strictly as a man. “But wait!, but wait!, How can this be? After
all didn’t Jesus perform all kinds of wonderful miracles of healing, didn’t He
do amazing things that defied nature, and didn’t He die on the cross?” you say.
Yes, He did do all of those things and more, (but let me break it to you
gently) He did it all as a man. Not only that, He told His disciples, who were mere
men by the way, that they would do even greater things than He did. And as it
turns out they did, just as many other men have done down through the ages and
continue to do even today.
But I
digress.
Having
said all of that let’s get real. You know and I know we mortal men cannot do
any of those miraculous things in our own filthy rags, in our own weaknesses,
in our own sin. We can’t even do those miraculous things after we have become
born again, and no longer live in sin; no longer live wearing filthy rags; and no
longer are mere powerless sinners. But yet miracles happen all of the time at
the hands of men. People are healed, saved, delivered from addictions, have
relationships restored, at the hands of men. Men can perform all of these great
miracles just as Jesus said they would, only through the power of God; only by
having a right relationship with God, only by living a holy life before God;
only by prayer and fasting before God, and ultimately only by faith in God. We
must believe God will do what He said He will do.
That is
how Jesus lived as a man. He dedicated Himself to learning the Holy Scriptures,
to prayer, to fasting, to spending hours with His Father, and ultimately
believing His Father would do anything He ask Him to do. At any point in His
earthly life Jesus could have prayed and ask God to allow Him to not go on, to
not die on the cross, to not have to bare all the sicknesses, sorrows, and sins
of mankind. He could have cashed in this being a man thing, and went back to
being the Son of God. But He didn’t. Why? Because He loved the world so much He
was willing to die that the world might be saved. Had He decided not to go
through terrible ordeal of the cross He would have been OK; He would still have
been God. But the stark reality is had He not died all of mankind would have
been lost to damnation. Satan would have won!
He was
punished and died as a man, and took on the guilt of all the sins of all
mankind. He died in that sin and went to Hell as a man – not as God, not as the
Son of God, but as a man. He did all of this for the salvation of all of
mankind and He did it by faith. Faith that His Father, the God of the universe,
would raise Him from the fiery pit and in so doing justify all men who would
believe in the Son of God and His resurrection.
Because
Jesus was willing to live as a man without yielding to sin, die as a man guilty
of all sin, be damned to Hell as a man so mankind would have a way of eternal
escape. God His Father resurrected Him as a man from that fiery pit and not
only allowed Him to robe Himself with the same deity He had before, but God went
on to give Him much, much more. God gave Jesus incomparable great power which
He in turn gives to those who believe in Him. God gave Jesus mighty strength
(the same kind of strength it took to raise Him from the dead). God seated Jesus
at His right hand in heavenly realms. God placed Jesus far above all rule and
authority, far above all power and dominion, far above every title that can be
given (including all present day titles and all titles that are yet to come.
God placed all things under Jesus’ feet and appointed Him to be head over
everything for the church.
Jesus
lived, died, and was resurrected not by His power, but by the power of God. We
can do the same, but only by the power of God.
Back to this immaculate conception thing. I do not often disagree with Ann Barnhardt, but I fervently do concerning the immaculate conception. I also disagree with non-Catholic teaching on the subject of Mary’s conceiving. The man Jesus was not a result of some sort of immaculate conception between Mary and the Holy Spirit. Neither was He the result of some sort of union of the Holy Spirit and Mary’s own sinfulness. No, Mary will always be called Blessed because she was chosen by God to be a surrogate mother to Jesus and raise Him to become a man. He lived and died as a man and then God raised Him to become LORD of all.
That is the Truth! That is the Christmas Story!
6 comments:
No, Jesus was fully man, entering into the fold through the door. God's hands were tied in that He had no right to enter into the dominion of man (which He gave to man) without a body. So God needed a body in order to operate in this dimension legally. Which Jesus received from His mother Mary.
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
It is the blood which carries the sin of man, and at no time did the blood of Mary intermingle with the blood of Jesus. Jesus's father was/is sinless
Colossians 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins
During the normal course of a pregnacy, the mothers and babies blood does not mix or circulate together. The umbilical cord attaches to the placenta. The placenta is the "container" that keeps the baby "isolated" from the mother.
The fetal blood flows through the baby, out the umbilical cord to the placenta and no further.
Oxygen and nutrients in the maternal blood in the intervillous spaces diffuse through the walls of the villi and enter the fetal capillaries. (this unfortunately means that bad things like alcohol and drugs diffuse through the membrane, also.)
Carbon dioxide and waste products diffuse from blood in the fetal capillaries through the walls of the villi to the maternal blood in the intervillous spaces.
Just like the walls of your own digestive system, the food you eat does not come into direct contact with your blood, but the nutients get into your blood and are transferred to all parts of your body.
Rich replies to Merle ...
I understand your argument, but for me to find some agreement with it, I need a solid scripture stating the sin of a man is only through the seed of the father and that the mother's egg has no sinful influence in that regard.
I fully understand redemption can only be achieved or provided by the shedding of blood. And in the case of eternal salvation, the blood being shed must be the blood of one who is without sin ... must be the blood of a perfect sacrifice.
If I understand your comment, you believe the Holy Spirit provided the seed and Mary provided the egg, and that the sin of man can only be passed on to the child through the seed. That is what I have always been taught in my Protestant upbringing, but where is the scripture to support such a teaching.
Jesus (like regenerate man) had flesh capable of sinning (which came from His mother), but a spirit born of God. Pure, Holy and without sin.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The difference between Jesus and born again believers, is that Jesus never allowed His flesh to lead Him or control Him, but believers many times do.
As you stated earlier both Adam and Jesus were born without sin, but both had the ability to sin. Adam chose to sin, whereas Jesus chose not to sin. So I cannot provide evidence that the mothers egg had no influence, because ultimately it did effect Him, He was tempted in every way just as you and I but never gave into it.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Your comment sounds valid on the surface, but to me is lacking in that I believe both Adams were created without an earthly mother and father. Your point concerning sin being passed on from one generation to another through the father’s seed is well taken. But that still does not explain the sin influenced DNA a child will inherit from their mother. If you do not believe Jesus had a body that was without the influence of sin or sickness, as I do, then I can understand your insistence of Mary was His natural mother.
But I believe Jesus did not have so much as a cold or minor injury during His life time, the same as the first Adam did not experience any sort of sickness or injury until he yielded to temptation. Some say Jesus was a trained carpenter as a young man (I don’t know that to be true), but if He was I believe He never did accidently hit His thumb with the hammer.
It is important to understand, as I know you do, that Jesus was all man, just as He was all God. He was not half-man and half-God. There is no convincing requirement that I can find in the Bible in regards to Jesus having to have an earthly mother. The first Adam did not, and therefore the last Adam need not either. There is no reason for Jesus to be a DNA descendant of man. It was sufficient for Him to just be a man (with all the potential weaknesses of a man), totally created by God.
I have further researched this question and found some good arguments to support both views. A website titled THE VIRGIN (conception) BIRTH, while not directly addressing the idea of a surrogate mother, makes some good arguments reflecting what you have conveyed in your comment. But I remain unconvinced.
Mary as God’s surrogate.. is a website that details my position better than I am able, therefore I will defer to it, rather than taking up any more space with further pontificating on my part.
THE VIRGIN (conception) BIRTH
www.letusreason.org/rc11.htm
Mary as God's surrogate...
http://www.surromomsonline.com/support/showthread.php?t=160831
(There is no convincing requirement that I can find in the Bible in regards to Jesus having to have an earthly mother. The first Adam did not, and therefore the last Adam need not either. There is no reason for Jesus to be a DNA descendant of man.)
Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
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